Egorend (August 16, 2008 at 8:06 pm)

the vast majority of people are robbed of their creative potential by the system due to the need to make ends meet with long work hours, multiple jobs, in the context of rising costs of living. blacks and latinos particularly suffer the brunt of racist and economic injustice. but you have to let young peeps create their own shit, man. and why jazz? are you equally worried about the decline of work calls and slave spirituals? peeps need the chance to create their own art, just like trane etc

loneman247 (August 16, 2008 at 11:47 am)

your point is all well & sounds good. but my reason for comment is to stay as accurate as possible for the young musicians coming up. there are too many young Black & Latinos in america that have been robbed of their culture/being. their ancestors invented music. don't know the past then the future is a big blurr. it's not fair to just only see young Black & Latino's scratching turntables, screamin' in mics and overly dancing. that's a conspiracy whether you see it or not. they're humans too.

loneman247 (August 16, 2008 at 11:37 am)

Well there it is. Listen! I heard the original members of "Return to Forever" kicked butt in Bronx, NY. this past August 2008. An elder Jazz buff expressed the brilliance they musically offered after a 20 semi year hiatus. Lenny White (drummer) even gave a story of how his Therapist helped him to play again. The past years Lenny's arms went out on him at some period - that he couldn't even lift his arms. Lenny official thanks to his Therapist for his sudden physical recovery. True story.

thomasloyens (August 16, 2008 at 10:21 am)

Then we agree on that. =) But Vandermark, Jim Black and on are also Americans, but they aren't like many of those traditional players.. and they are the f* top of the contemporary free-jazz scene! =)

Egorend (August 16, 2008 at 5:28 am)

whites were also exploited in indentured servitude, as workers on railroads, in mines, in factories, as children, as women, irish, italian, eastern europeans. in countries of color, there are people in the ruling classes enslaving other people of color. let's be clear: anyone who'd play jazz to get rich is a fool, black or white, yet all equally need bread. but don't compare any workin musician to slave owners and rich oppressors. black & white unite! blood is red, wisdom is clear.

loneman247 (August 16, 2008 at 12:01 am)

thomasloyens...At least you gave a biased comment against US (american) musicians and THEIR traditional Music Theory. I break all the rules of THEIR music cirriculum because it's in my "heart & soul" to do it. My comment was mainly against "american white musicians." Negro pioneer musicians seem to get a bulk of their respect from outside of AMERICA. It's been the case ever since the so-called "British Invasion." Groups like The Rolling Stones admitted who influenced them. that's my comment.

thomasloyens (August 15, 2008 at 9:02 pm)

And there are more to name, and okay there are such musicians, and no offense to US, but they're usually from the states 'cause lots of times they want to show the world what they can do and learned at school instead of playing real music, with their hart and 'soul'.. I am from Belgium and know quite a lot of Belgium jazzmusicians, and I'll tell you not many are bragging about their abillities, eventhough some play very impressive, it's really not a common thing..

thomasloyens (August 15, 2008 at 8:56 pm)

I do share your opinion, although you must know not all "white musicians" are blind & selfish & only play for money and to be the best, simple examples.. Ken Vandermark (great Free-jazz Saxplayer) or Jim Black (drummer), they are such amazing and wonderful musicians and I've met Jim Black, believe me.. He can do some crazy shit, but he plays with his heart and is not the least "proud or selfish", the same goes for the musicians he plays with Andrew D'Angelo, Chris Speed, ...

johnnyx53 (August 14, 2008 at 11:18 pm)

This is one of my favorite Miles tunes...love hearing it as a performance. Excellent playing by all...this was one of his best bands. Only thing is a couple of the guys--especially Williams--didn't like George Coleman (tenor)because he was such a perfectionist and so he didn't last too long with them. Beautiful chord changes and rhythm changes in this one.

loneman247 (August 14, 2008 at 4:11 pm)

Not saying that all "White people" are thieves. But the elite ones of Whites are. Stocks and bonds? How was america first industrialised? From the innocent labor of Blacks & Indians. Is this not correct? And the same in EVERYTHING "Whites" accomplish to financially gain. The taking of other people's NATURAL resources is how Europeans packed up their refrigerators and banks etc. As a so called "Black musician" this comment is personal. The White musicians that i've met are blind proud & selfish.