metgear2 (July 21, 2008 at 4:02 am)

btw I don't particularly want this to go any further, gone on way too long. Nice chat though =)

metgear2 (July 21, 2008 at 3:54 am)

I've done Tae kwon-do for the past 8 years and Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu for 1. As I said it's simply an opinion. I understand there is a certain level of hypocrisy on my part since tae kwon-do is the worlds most popular combat sport (in number of practitioners) but I take it as a sport and not as much else. I prefer the Bujinkan's ways of teaching (btw a lot of the techniques it employs are anti-judo so we have to learn quite a bit about judo techniques and their flaws).

jrljudoka (July 21, 2008 at 3:37 am)

Im not trying to sound condecending met, but its randori that MAKES Judo so effective! I get the impression that you have very little experiance with martial arts. You really should get out there and pick one up.

metgear2 (July 20, 2008 at 11:52 pm)

Sorry, I didn't make what I meant clear. I don't believe sparring/randori should be involved in martial arts. It makes you rely quite a lot on the rules of the art in which you practice. In real life people can use grapples, strikes, weapons, and various dirty tricks so it's best to not be focused on only one thing. Though martial arts mean different things to different people so I wont judge those studying them for sports application. Just not how I perceive them.

jrljudoka (July 19, 2008 at 1:49 pm)

The rules exist for safety, without them participants would STAY severly injured all the time. There are even rules in MMA which has the least restrictions of practically all competitive combat activities. The grappling arts proved themselves in the early days of UFC when the gracies raped and pillaged over all the strikers, hence todays MMA stars ALL train in at least the basics of grappling. Its not entirely that difficult to close distance on a striker to move into grappling techniques.

metgear2 (July 19, 2008 at 7:07 am)

I simply find rules to be a bad idea in martial arts. Judo obviously focuses more on grappling and extreme close quarters while missing out a lot on strikes from either hand or foot. In a match with another grappling art, I'm sure a judo practitioner will do well. I just think that judo leaves way too many openings and has some holes in it's overall technique.

jrljudoka (July 19, 2008 at 6:41 am)

A sports environment isnt quite correct, a "safe" environment would be more correct,techniques can be practiced full speed and power without too much worry for the receiver of technique. Bear in mind, in 1886 the Kodokan won all matches except 2 (ended in draw) against the top Jujutsu schools in Japan to decide who would be the new teachers for the Tokyo Police dept. less dangerous techniques that can be practiced full power will always be more effective than "killing" techniques that cannot.

metgear2 (July 19, 2008 at 5:59 am)

You're right, I do not study judo in any form. Just giving my opinion from what I've seen. I wasn't simply talking about the kata, just about the general way in which judo employs it's throws. My point was just that judo is practiced in a sports enviroment leading to bad habits that could be potentially dangerous in real life. Again though, just my opinion.

jrljudoka (July 19, 2008 at 5:45 am)

This is not a "sports based" martial art met ... it is a martial art that a sport is based on. Big difference. The attacks in this kata are not with a knife, they are with a closed fist .. a strike to the head not a stab to the body. I would suggest to anyone who does not study/practice Kodokan Judo to refrain from commenting on this kata unless they have at least achieved the rank of Shodan in Judo, othewrwise they will have no idea what the purpose and intent of Judo kata is

jrljudoka (July 19, 2008 at 5:32 am)

Number 1, Insanity .. neither of you understerstand what Judo Kata is about. This Kata is all about the mechanics of the 5 different categories of Judo throwing techniques ... hand, hip, leg, back sacrifice, and side sacrifice. Of course these techniques are not performed so robotically in a dynamic environment, this kata is merely to learn the technical aspects. These judoka would hammer you 6 inches into the ground with these techniques in live combat so fast you wouldnt have time to blink