islamisfromsatan2 (August 7, 2008 at 7:59 am)

Did you know muhammed and his followers, disguised in pilgrims, attacked and robbed the Mecca caravan at Nakhla? Then he attacked the caravan of Abu Sufyan at Badr where he killed the relatives of his followers but spared his ones.Did you know he expeled from Mecca the Banu Qaynuqa Jewish tribe, taking their goods? Do you know he ordered the decapitation of all men and boys from Banu Qurayza Jewish tribe (700 people) and after killing them enslaved the women and children and took the goods?

islamisfromsatan2 (August 7, 2008 at 7:59 am)

Look what kuran says about this:[33:26] And He brought those of the People of the Scripture who supported them down from their strongholds, and cast panic into their hearts. Some ye slew, and ye made captive some.[33:27] And He caused you to inherit their land and their houses and their wealth, and land ye have not trodden. Allah is ever Able to do all things.

islamisfromsatan2 (August 7, 2008 at 7:59 am)

The kuran allows sex with the slaves:[4:24] And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess. It is a decree of Allah for you...Did you know he ordered many people to be stoned, for example a women that commited fornication (Sunan Abu-Dawud Book 38, Number 4426, in this are related several stonings: usc.*edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/abudaw ud/038.sat.html, without* ). Jesus saved a woman from stoning (John 8, 1-11).

santacharlie (August 7, 2008 at 4:42 am)

Husain r, Hasan r, Ali r, Fatima r, they all exclusively followed the message of Islam that emanated from those 23 years. So should we.The source for everyone of them was Allah, his rasool, Koranic revelations over the period of 23 years and, the prophet's Quran walk over the period prophet lived as the last messenger.It should be any different for us.What is essential is that if denied is makes us non Muslim.That essential emanates from those 23 years.

santacharlie (August 7, 2008 at 4:33 am)

The best way is to say durood o salaam.We pray 5 times a day.Every prayer includes durood.It is very inclusive.We beg Allah to send our salaam and baraka to Ibraheem, his aal, Muhammad and his aal.We do it so many times a day.This is the right way.The right way is to do be righteous and earn a reward, help the needy, pay zakaat, pay sadaqa and beg Allah to send the reward to the family of the prophet..This is the Islamic way.

santacharlie (August 7, 2008 at 3:09 am)

Whatever it is it is not the message of Islam.The bottom line is the message of Islam is from those 23 years only and submitting truly to Allah with respect to the 23 years prophetic period is our only key to success after death.Ali r was a true follower of the prophet s.a.a.s with respect to what emanated in those 23 years as revelations and authentic Quran walk.so should we, like Ali r, do the same.

santacharlie (August 7, 2008 at 3:09 am)

We should not any any back flow and find meanings retroactively.Sooner or later everyone is going to die.It is in our best interest to take the messge of Islam that exclusively emanates from those 23 years and dump the rest, as it is not the message of Islam, it is hate, anger, provocation, exaggeration and distortion.

santacharlie (August 7, 2008 at 3:08 am)

Do not start from a later period and retroactively(applying to something which is already concluded) claim it to be the meaning of desire.I don't mean to be disrespectful.I write this out of sincerity.Because there is no doubt the true & only message of Islam has a start and and end date.It concluded at the demise of the prophet.

santacharlie (August 7, 2008 at 3:08 am)

Only for understanding, Imagine you were also their when the prophet moved to madina and the verse was revealed. Now imagine Allah is pointing to Hazrat Umar r as Theguis said.Even the thought makes me laugh.Give me a break!Just go back to that time after he migrated and imagine to understand the meaning of the verse.Always live in the time of the prophet in your mind to know the true meaning.

santacharlie (August 7, 2008 at 3:07 am)

If the Israelite are found to be unfit the promised nabi will not be raised from them.The problem is some people are putting the cart ahead of the horse.They have already made up their minds .Then they feel comfortable making verses in Quran look like what they desire it to be.This is called reverse sequence starting from a period after the conclusion of the religion and then going back.